I am happy you are here to defend yourself now. Some of us have posted your material and then these other people immediately started saying you are not reputable, which I know for a fact from reading some of your other works and credentials was false, propaganda put out by the Watchower Society. You need to telephone Randy Watters who has freeminds.org and see if he will put some of your other stuff up on his website.
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Dr. Bergman
by Jerry Bergman ini have now read the section that deals with me.
all i can say is i am amazed!!!
don't my critics have any concern about the facts???
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nancee park
Send a copy to Bill Bowen, Simon.
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LONDON WATCHTOWER RAIDED !!
by orangefatcat inlast night our dear friend mouthy sent me an e-mail saying she recieved and e-mail from paul that the "watchtower was raided in london" please check out this url.
http://www.welcome.to/witnesscd
i hope more information becomes available soon.
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Why? Possibly they are nuts, stupid or work for the Watchtower. It would be a good idea though to actually point out to UK police that if they were to seek out documents on pedophilia coverups including among Watchtowerites, it could help them crack the case they are now involved with and or possibly others.
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LONDON WATCHTOWER RAIDED !!
by orangefatcat inlast night our dear friend mouthy sent me an e-mail saying she recieved and e-mail from paul that the "watchtower was raided in london" please check out this url.
http://www.welcome.to/witnesscd
i hope more information becomes available soon.
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I will suggest here as then that the thread be deleted, especially now that Hawkaw knows it is bogus.
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London Bethel Raided by Police
by DevonMcBride incan anyone confirm if this is true?
i received the e-mail below:
panorama was shown 14th july and we heard shortly after that the police were very interested!
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nancee park
If this rumor is not confirmed within an hour at most, then I think Simon or whoever is moderating needs to delete this string to squealch the possibility it might get passed on as legit when not.
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London Bethel Raided by Police
by DevonMcBride incan anyone confirm if this is true?
i received the e-mail below:
panorama was shown 14th july and we heard shortly after that the police were very interested!
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Got an idea. Somebody call the BBC and ask them.
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London Bethel Raided by Police
by DevonMcBride incan anyone confirm if this is true?
i received the e-mail below:
panorama was shown 14th july and we heard shortly after that the police were very interested!
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So it may/may not be true. Hope it is. Children of JWs and the public need police protection from this criminal society. IF raided, it would probably be to seize documents such as judicial committee files proving that such are being used and to hide the rapists of the kids.
Waiting to see if true or just rumor.........
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Flag Salute Deception/9/15 Watchtower
by metatron inrecently, the watchtower has published an article on the flag.
salute issue that is misleading and deceptive ("salvation.
belongs to jehovah").
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Good points, Metatron. It fits nicely with some other points as seen below.
FLAGS, WHAT THE BIBLE AND COMMON SENSE SAY: Speaking of banners, i.e. elongated flags, Psalm 20:5 says "We will cry out joyfully because of your salvation, and in the name of our God we shall lift our banners." Canticles (Song of Solomon) 2:4 says "He brought me into the house of wine, and his banner over me was love." Canticles 6:4 says "You are beautiful , O girl companion of mine, like Pleasant City, comely like Jerusalem, awesome as companies gathered around banners." And the last verse referring to flags is Canticles 6:10 which says "Who is this woman who is looking down like the dawn, beautiful like the full moon, pure like the glowing sun, awesome as companies gathered around banners?"
That's what the Bible itself says. Obviously fanatical, unquestioning ultra-nationalism as with the Nazis is wrong, but again the Bible itself speaks of flags in no negative way at all but in the contexts of joy and love. And no matter how much someone may have told us otherwise the real truth is that most people salute flags to show "respect," not to worship them or a represented national heritage, government system or beliefs etc. Insofar as showing respect in religion, who deserves it more: a man who misspoke about flags as if idols as did J.F. Rutherford in the 1900s when reining over Jehovah's Witnesses, or both the Bible and the common sense that God put into us?
Perhaps some in the past believed as Rutherford taught because taught the same by very loving friends or family convinced that he was correct, but when the real truth appears like this, will you put God's will first even above those whom you love but now know are misinformed? Note that Romans 14:1-6 affirms that Christians are to enjoy freedom to differ on things beyond the very simplest key and essential beliefs of the faith (Hebrews 6:1-2), with an emphasis on LOVE, and this Christian freedom applies to views about flags as well.
Paul said that Christians are free to use individual consciences anytime something is questionable (Ro 14). A flag salute means you agree to be loyal about supporting the laws of a nation as by paying taxes, and it does not mean you would go against God by worshipping the flag or nation. The word "allegiance" means the giving of loyalty to a nation's laws, the positive ideas for which it exists as God Himself has permitted it to exist, and the saying of an oath of allegiance should not be misjudged as meaning the person saying it is in any way against God.
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia Vol.2 pag 66 says banners or flags instead of small statues were probably used atop poles by the different tribes of Israel "in view of the prohibition against graven images" (Ex 20:4) meaning that they were used to avoid any inclination towards idolatry, hence approved by God Himself. Any claim that "Israel's standards (the banners or flags) or the ceremonies associated with them were not viewed as sacred is false because, as explained, God Himself approved of them, and, further, note that in Numbers 21 He commanded those Israelites bitten by snakes to gaze upon a standard of a copper serpent attached to a pole in order to be healed. Common sense shows banners were preserved for repeated use, an enemy's capture of such items including during battle was doubtlessly a tribal disgrace as seen with the national symbol of the ark of the covenant. (1Sa 4:22)
The top Watchtower Society leaders over Jehovah's Witnesses do not allow members to freely without reprisals, such as disfellowshipping (severe shunning), exercise their conscience about flag salutes, but those men write and preach that flag salutes and saying an oath of allegiance are "idolatry," even though the same guys simultaneously tell JW missionaries to go ahead and swear an oath affirming citizenship or loyalty in order to get passports to go to other countries as missionaries - hypocrisy, the blind misleading the blind.
As said, if a person's attitude is one of respectful or of worshipful determines if flag salutes and oaths of allegiance are acceptable to the Christian conscience. Christ said "remove the rafter from your own eye" before finding fault, Paul encouraged allowing usage of the conscience, and also in such matters we are to "not go beyond the things that are written." (1 Co 4:6) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian
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Birthdays & the Cult of the Diminished Indi...
by joelbear inyesterday was my birthday.
i got greetings from a number of friends from here in atlanta and also from people who had never met me from around the world since my birthday announcement was carried on a couple of the central bear pages on the internet.. there is clearly no prohibition against birthdays in the bible.
the reason the watchtower prohibits birthday celebrations is the same reason they discourage college, extracurricular activities in school, etc.
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Job 1:3, 3:1-3 show Job's kids celebrated birthdays if you read all
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by Blueblades inhi unclepenn1, here's the list of the governing body members.john barr(1913)--carey barber(1905)--milton henschel(1920)--samuel herd(19350)--theodore jaracz(1923) steve lett(1949)--gerrit losch (1941) guy pierce(1934)--albert schroeder(1911)--david splane (1944) daniel sydlik (1919).
the dates are when they were born.
karl klein,and lyman swingle both died this year.im not sure about john barr or carey barber,as to whether they died also.i hope this helps.
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But the guy who is really over things even without the title is Ted Jarasc who is on the Gov Body.